Taunting, then un-taunting, then taunting

Thstardust

Recognized Member
i did in fact state this once even before killing flamer for doing so, since i do know that this is a not very known offense. Though as it is worded "afk frozen", toggling taunt off and on is not afk frozen. You switch states, just like switching weapons, therefore not afk frozen. Afk frozen is a term of where your model is in a frozen state. This means the actual placement of the person, not the visible model, and this changes when you cancel and re activate taunt. This is why switching weapons is not allowed.
 

Nachös

Recognized Member
Ok, let do some clearing up here, Star does have a point stating that Flamer wasn't AFK "frozen" however in the rules there isn't a specification on how the rules is meant to be implemented. Everyone has stated thier points, and I can't choose a side but I think we have to call the law maker here and set it forth. @Asu please clear this up for these people(sometimes Asu is busy and can't reply to this so @Madame pls(I don't know if madame replied to this already because of Ibram and his FUCKING PICTURE CHANGE) )So I say we leave it up to them but atm I see this as a freekill. If you would like to report star and DO NOT BE AFRAID OF REPORTING STAFF(in general) Feel free to do so.
 

Astra

Recognized Member
Ok, let do some clearing up here, Star does have a point stating that Flamer wasn't AFK "frozen" however in the rules there isn't a specification on how the rules is meant to be implemented. Everyone has stated thier points, and I can't choose a side but I think we have to call the law maker here and set it forth. @Asu please clear this up for these people(sometimes Asu is busy and can't reply to this so @Madame pls(I don't know if madame replied to this already because of Ibram and his FUCKING PICTURE CHANGE) )So I say we leave it up to them but atm I see this as a freekill. If you would like to report star and DO NOT BE AFRAID OF REPORTING STAFF(in general) Feel free to do so.
It wasn't a freekill. Star, as warden, stated that untaunting then taunting again was not afk frozen. Stating this did not impact or "throw out", per say, any rules therefore it was a valid command. Unless I am mistaken and there is a rule stating that taunting then untaunting is still afk frozen.
 

Nachös

Recognized Member
It wasn't a freekill. Star, as warden, stated that untaunting then taunting again was not afk frozen. Stating this did not impact or "throw out", per say, any rules therefore it was a valid command. Unless I am mistaken and there is a rule stating that taunting then untaunting is still afk frozen.
However did he say it before killing Flamer? Because if he didn't then that would be considered freekilling as in stating a rule after killing someone and it would count as favortism.
 

Astra

Recognized Member
However did he say it before killing Flamer? Because if he didn't then that would be considered freekilling as in stating a rule after killing someone and it would count as favortism.
He did say it before he killed flamer. He said "Taunting then untaunting is not afk frozen" then flamer toggled the taunt off then back on.
 

Nachös

Recognized Member
He did say it before he killed flamer. He said "Taunting then untaunting is not afk frozen" then flamer toggled the taunt off then back on.
Maybe he dosen't have as quick reflexes trust me, I would have done same thing 'cause I process things said to me slow unless in school where im focused. BUT STILL LET WAIT FOR ASU OR MADAME
 

Astra

Recognized Member
Maybe he dosen't have as quick reflexes trust me, I would have done same thing 'cause I process things said to me slow unless in school where im focused. BUT STILL LET WAIT FOR ASU OR MADAME
So what? That's like calling favoritism for playing box game if you have slow reflexes. Star gave a command, Flamer didn't follow said command, so he would be kos. Why specifically Asu or Madame? @Keywest or @Katze would also be able to clear this up.
 

Nachös

Recognized Member
So what? That's like calling favoritism for playing box game if you have slow reflexes. Star gave a command, Flamer didn't follow said command, so he would be kos. Why specifically Asu or Madame? @Keywest or @Katze would also be able to clear this up.
I know they could but I thought the creator of the rules would be the best to specify in this situation since Key already replied and I don't think it cleared the situation as you would think. Key and Quote are interpreters of the rules but the best proof is the creator.

Also the reflexes things wasn't my prime example it was a reasoning why this could have happened.
 

Thresher

Recognized Member
This is getting out of hand.
This was not a freekill.
And you cannot undo the taunt.

AFK Freeze - All RED(s) must remain frozen.
  • If a direction has been given (static object only - like the stairs)
    • No mouse movement (includes attacking/switching weapons)
    • No keyboard movement
    • Swinging melee or shooting is not freezing.
    • All taunts will puts your character into a frozen state (High five for example counts as AFK frozen)
  • If no direction has been given
    • Mouse movement (freelooking) is allowed.
    • No keyboard movement.
    • Swinging melee or shooting is not freezing.
    • All taunts will puts your character into a frozen state (High five for example counts as AFK frozen)


For example, changing weapons is not afk. I dont see how pressing buttons a keyboard is. And it says it above, no keyboard movement. If that means you cannot look around or walk that changes it, but that probably means you cant press keys.
I know they could but I thought the creator of the rules would be the best to specify in this situation since Key already replied and I don't think it cleared the situation as you would think. Key and Quote are interpreters of the rules but the best proof is the creator.

Also the reflexes things wasn't my prime example it was a reasoning why this could have happened.
I dont think @Katze has ever been on jailbreak, and @Asu is just the writer. You guys need to find out what it means.
This also goes for @Asu not needing to enforce. His job is to keep the server running. He shouldnt even need to write the rules.
 

Veigar

Recognized Member
I'm going to put my two cents in here on the matter, but seeing as it was one-time only, I will not be taking action against anyone potentially at fault. However, this may be useful for the future.

I would not consider this a freekill. Being AFK means away from keyboard, which pretty much means your whole computer being left alone. No mouse movements, no keyboard input, nothing. When you AFK taunt for the first time, that should be the last time you taunt. Once you've taunted, you are considered now dedicated to the AFK freeze rule if asked to do so by warden until the warden gives out his next command. Undoing a taunt, and then redoing, is NOT considered AFK at all. You are pressing buttons on your keyboard and being a potential threat to escaping and when they see ANY movement when there should be absolutely none, it's technically a threat to get out of dodge.

TLDR, you weren't AFK when asked to be. It's not a freekill.
 

Katze

Recognized Member
I know they could but I thought the creator of the rules would be the best to specify in this situation since Key already replied and I don't think it cleared the situation as you would think. Key and Quote are interpreters of the rules but the best proof is the creator.

Also the reflexes things wasn't my prime example it was a reasoning why this could have happened.
Are you suggesting in >1 years I don't know the server rules




Because you're right
 

Astra

Recognized Member

Ibram

Recognized Member
I just want to get this straight.

If a player re-activates a AFK frozen taunt it no longer counts as AFK as the player is using the keyboard to the toggle the taunt, denying that they are supposed to be AFK (Away From Keyboard)

k thanks
 

Yuki

Administrator
Staff member
TF2 Admin
AFK Freeze / Freezing - All RED(s) must remain frozen.
It is considered AFK freezing as long as the follow criteria is met:
No switching of weapons
No positional movement (no moving up, down, left, right, forward or backward)
Not shooting or swinging melee
All taunts will puts your character into a frozen state (i.e Hi-5)
Crouching is always allowed.
Freelooking is always allowed.

This was added to the rules today.
 

Thstardust

Recognized Member
So does this mean that i could teabag the yellow line and still be afk? That's gonna be nice against snipers. Does the "freelooking is always allowed" apply to something like "face your cells", as well? Or is it only when no direction is given?
 

Veigar

Recognized Member
So does this mean that i could teabag the yellow line and still be afk? That's gonna be nice against snipers. Does the "freelooking is always allowed" apply to something like "face your cells", as well? Or is it only when no direction is given?
It is considered AFK freezing as long as the follow criteria is met:
 
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