New Server Rules (Work in Progress)

[JackTheRipper]

The baited RED may hit the baiting BLU without consequence provided they are continuing to follow the wardens orders.

This seems off to me somehow, not sure what it is, maybe im reading it incorrectly. Consider revision?

BLUs however are free to lie even if it results in the death of a RED, or even attempt to trick prisoners with fake orders.

I think this rule will result in a lot of needless death. It may be better off if we leave it to All BLUs rather than just the warden. After all they are all supposed to be the next warden, so they all need to not try and get people killed. That is the 1 Warden's job. But thats just my preference.

All in all great job with them, seems to be literally sound, I do prefer this to what it was because this makes it easier for everyone to read, seems balanced for both the RED and BLU, and for the different people that join the server. Although be prepared to add more or alter these in the future. After all we do have to adapt.

9.5/10 - Would be glad to enforce.

 

[Umbra Vorago]

Fine meanie


Remove the Box Trot counts as crouch walking. Say it is up to the warden, but if Box Trot is allowed, Conga and Katozky are aswell.

"The "Box Trot", "Conga" and "Katotsky Kick" taunts can be considered crouch walking if specified by the Warden."
Would that be better?

This seems off to me somehow, not sure what it is, maybe im reading it incorrectly. Consider revision?



I think this rule will result in a lot of needless death. It may be better off if we leave it to All BLUs rather than just the warden. After all they are all supposed to be the next warden, so they all need to not try and get people killed. That is the 1 Warden's job. But thats just my preference.

All in all great job with them, seems to be literally sound, I do prefer this to what it was because this makes it easier for everyone to read, seems balanced for both the RED and BLU, and for the different people that join the server. Although be prepared to add more or alter these in the future. After all we do have to adapt.

9.5/10 - Would be glad to enforce.

Well for the longest time it's been "Warden can't lie", I suppose the rule should just be simply changed to "BLUs can't lie" as I do agree it would cause plenty of deaths, I have after all seen BLUs give fake orders plenty of times to catch REDs off guard. Other than that, would you see any other issues in these new rules?

 

[littleirishman]

"The "Box Trot", "Conga" and "Katotsky Kick" taunts can be considered crouch walking if specified by the Warden."
Would that be better?

Yes much better

 

[SNC]

Can we add NO armory camping? It gets really annoying, and if someone is armory camping can a blu reenter?

 

[Nessmonk]

"The "Box Trot", "Conga" and "Katotsky Kick" taunts can be considered crouch walking if specified by the Warden."
Would that be better?



Well for the longest time it's been "Warden can't lie", I suppose the rule should just be simply changed to "BLUs can't lie" as I do agree it would cause plenty of deaths, I have after all seen BLUs give fake orders plenty of times to catch REDs off guard. Other than that, would you see any other issues in these new rules?

So it'll be added that BLUs aren't allowed to lie? Also. If a warden lies about pardonning people and then starts killing them, then gets teambanned for mass freekilling and says 'I lied'. Will it be abuse?

 

[littleirishman]

Can we add NO armory camping? It gets really annoying, and if someone is armory camping can a blu reenter?

I thought of a solution to this. Is it possible we can add an invisible wall for blues so they can't re enter, only shoot back in? Or maybe something like in chreiten DR, where reds cant leave. Except, blues cant reenter, but reds can. This way its flawless.

 

[SNC]

I thought of a solution to this. Is it possible we can add an invisible wall for blues so they can't re enter, only shoot back in? Or maybe something like in chreiten DR, where reds cant leave. Except, blues cant reenter, but reds can. This way its flawless.

I'm saying that if a red goes into armory and camps, constantly getting ammo and health, not only does it delay the round but it makes it near impossible to kill the red camping in armory.

 

[Umbra Vorago]

Can we add NO armory camping? It gets really annoying, and if someone is armory camping can a blu reenter?

So it'll be added that BLUs aren't allowed to lie? Also. If a warden lies about pardonning people and then starts killing them, then gets teambanned for mass freekilling and says 'I lied'. Will it be abuse?

I thought of a solution to this. Is it possible we can add an invisible wall for blues so they can't re enter, only shoot back in? Or maybe something like in chreiten DR, where reds cant leave. Except, blues cant reenter, but reds can. This way its flawless.

If a BLU lied about pardoning, then you banned him for doing so, that wouldn't be abuse.

Also, the armory camping thing is a bit.. Complicated. By allowing BLUs to re-enter, they themselves will likely end up camping in the armory to kill the REDs and use the opportunity to refill their health and ammunition.
I think the rule as is, where they simply can not camp in armory, but may wait for a better opportunity to leave, is fair. If they had the brains to get in to armory, it's unfair to have the whole BLU team standing at the doorway waiting, and they should be sent back to the Warden/remaining REDs to give the rebel a fair chance. However perhaps it should be added, if the RED does not take the opportunity to leave and continues to camp, then BLUs may re-enter, because that RED would be delaying.

That also said, having an "invisible wall" thing would be complete BS, as if someone was abusing camping in the armory, maybe two medics healing eachother near the TARDIS exit in Minecart, then the round would never end as a BLU wouldn't be able to go in and get rid of the little rulebreakers.

 

[Beast]

You have stated no such thing as to why you believe the rules should be changed, simply said "I do not believe they should be changed, and will not believe there are ever unwritten rules and will not believe it unless I get visual confirmation from Asu"

So if you wish to give your opinion, please, take the floor, that is what this thread is all about.

That's on the topic of you wanting me to enforce rules not written on the rule page.

If you want a real written explanation, so beat it.


So, first off your "unwritten rules" are written here, grats on that, but your unwritten rules could be simple amends to the rules we currently have (As in "shoulder to shoulder" could be placed in the common sense/obvious rule) (and this carries over to my second point

Secondly, the amount of text used for examples is going to discourage players to read each example and/or skim through it and missing crucial rules. This is already a problem and shouldn't be made worse. If you want to help this situation, put these occurrences under the scenario outline section.

Next, I want to point out how you think that a BLU killing himself at any point when the red is given lr is considered denying, anyone has the right to use commands such as "kill" or "explode" and shouldn't be restricted. And the Reds with lr don't even care about it.

(I wanted to write more, but I have things to do, I'll edit this later or reply w/ more info later. I probrally didn't even do a good job explaining, but I'm sick so give me a break :3)

 

[littleirishman]

You stand outside, not being able to reenter
Yo shoot them
They take damage
And eventually die
Thats how it works

 

[SNC]

You stand outside, not being able to reenter
Yo shoot them
They take damage
And eventually die
Thats how it works

There are ammo packs inside. They have infinite ammo and health, essentially. Blus run out of ammo. Boom.

That's on the topic of you wanting me to enforce rules not written on the rule page.

If you want a real written explanation, so beat it.


So, first off your "unwritten rules" are written here, grats on that, but your unwritten rules could be simple amends to the rules we currently have (As in "shoulder to shoulder" could be placed in the common sense/obvious rule) (and this carries over to my second point

Secondly, the amount of text used for examples is going to discourage players to read each example and/or skim through it and missing crucial rules. This is already a problem and shouldn't be made worse. If you want to help this situation, put these occurrences under the scenario outline section.

Next, I want to point out how you think that a BLU killing himself at any point when the red is given lr is considered denying, anyone has the right to use commands such as "kill" or "explode" and shouldn't be restricted. And the Reds with lr don't even care about it.

(I wanted to write more, but I have things to do, I'll edit this later or reply w/ more info later. I probrally didn't even do a good job explaining, but I'm sick so give me a break :3)

As for this, I really want a whole list written things. We can have certain sections that expand, so that the average player doesn't have to read it but I think it is our job to know this stuff.
It can't be that "Oh this certain admin is on so I can do this or can't do this", it gets so darn confusing that if we can limit that by having a long list of rules I'd appreciate it. If you need to find something press CTRL + F...
It is so helpful to have everything in one place that is decided on so that every small thing can be looked up and decided upon.

 

[Umbra Vorago]

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The only part of that entire thing that actually makes any sense is the whole part about there being too much text. I agree, there is a lot of text, and I agree, it may discourage people reading the rules, but I would rather have all the rules written down then only some of them, then get slayed for a rule that was not obvious/debatable. How are admins meant to enforce the rules when half the time, they bicker about rules among themselves anyway? That is the point of this, to lay all rules out, and make it clear for all. That said, as SNC above stated, spoilers are a wonderful thing to use.

The part about the "unwritten rules" are not "my" rules, they are rules provided by members of the server. Many admins and community members have told you before on the server countless times there are such a thing as unwritten rules, but you did the basic equivalent of going "Lalala I'm not listening you're not the boss of me!" instead of "Oh, hang on, if THIS many people are telling me otherwise, maybe I AM in the wrong, oops!"
Also mildly off topic, you say I try to get you to enforce rules you personally do not believe exist? Alright, I'll accept that. But it wouldn't be the first time you have blatantly ignored me when I was freekilled, and even the Warden admitted I was freekilled, instead of respawning me, yet happily respawned others. Oh and your reason for this was, and I quote; "Reasons"
10/10 moderation right there.

Finally, regarding a BLU killing themselves on purpose, please do not speak on behalf of all REDs ever. "Some" REDs do not mind a BLU killing themselves. Some REDs however, do. It's a kick in the teeth to finally get an LR, beat off the rest of the competition, and on the first time you get an LR to do with whatever you want; The BLUs have all killed themselves to avoid doing it.
That's just being a dick.
"I want all BLUs to play Sweeper until the dea- Oh wait you've all killed yourselves."

 

[Zero1763]

I agree, that can be re-worded a bit better, though that was not one of my particular rules, according to various admins that is considered "glitching the map."




Beast, you've been salty ever since I called you out for being a badmin. If you're going to vote no, at least provide a constructive reasoning as to why not, and I'll be more than happy to prove you wrong, like the countless other times I have done so before.
EDIT: Hmm this thread gives me an idea actually...




Those rules given before, that relied far too much on people living in a perfect world and, like you said, not finding loopholes. Not likely to happen on the internet.
Whilst I can agree that the rules before which more like a dictatorship as one admin had quoted to me, where if someone tried to be a smartass they were just slain, the server is not like that anymore, and I can assure you would not survive if it were like that.
Everyone plays Jailbreak for a variety of different reasons. Some like being a BLU and bossing REDs around, some like being a smartass, others just enjoy being sneaky and rebelling. If we are to cater to the public, we NEED stricter rules, clarifying the cans and can'ts, what is and isn't allowed, to get rid of all this bullshit of one admin saying one thing, one admin saying another, or players fighting about rules all the damn time.
If we wish to keep this community alive, we need fresh players, and to retain older ones, but being too loose in rules to the point it causes so much bullshit arguments is going to do the exact opposite.

The rules I have written in aren't that strict, they simply list how the server is in itself played to this day by the majority of people. I'm not making things strict so they can't rebel, I'm clarifying what does and does not count as rebelling, so someone can turn around and say "It's not in the rules" because now, it will be.



Zero, this has been done so many times before on the server, to say this is a "rule" is laughable. You are welcome to tell me where it currently states in the rules you can not restrict a Scout double jumping.
Sassyness aside, please state "why" you think they should not be allowed to be restricted, instead of instantly opposing changes made.

Oooh a challenge, ill accept, enjoy the next probably 3 pages SG
Not are rules are in the actual written form Mr.Perfect, thought you knew that my now. This is one of them that i asked after being shot in a minigame for triple jumping. If you don't believe me you don't have to, ask Asu.
As to why you shouldn't be able to restrict double or triple jumping, its a body function that is special to that class. They deserve to have it since they actually chose the class to have that special ability. No wonder jailbreak is living off of the strange farming, because that's all that seems to be important to these rules:kill kill kill. What about some that can protect the reds instead of give them more chances to die, even out the rights in what each person can do.

 

[JackTheRipper]

Secondly, the amount of text used for examples is going to discourage players to read each example and/or skim through it and missing crucial rules. This is already a problem and shouldn't be made worse. If you want to help this situation, put these occurrences under the scenario outline section.

Put main stuff in bold text, examples and further explanations not. DONE solved it.

 

[Umbra Vorago]

Oooh a challenge, ill accept, enjoy the next probably 3 pages SG
Not are rules are in the actual written form Mr.Perfect, thought you knew that my now. This is one of them that i asked after being shot in a minigame for triple jumping. If you don't believe me you don't have to, ask Asu.
As to why you shouldn't be able to restrict double or triple jumping, its a body function that is special to that class. They deserve to have it since they actually chose the class to have that special ability. No wonder jailbreak is living off of the strange farming, because that's all that seems to be important to these rules:kill kill kill. What about some that can protect the reds instead of give them more chances to die, even out the rights in what each person can do.

You think I'm perfect? Aww thank you for saying so. <3 Yes I know it was sarcasm.
I don't mind the sass, at least NOW you are giving explanations, not just a "No I disapprove but not saying why!" That's a very valid point, and this is where we discuss it, and decide whether it should be removed from the rules all together or left there. I may be right, you may be right, in the end the needs of the many come before the needs of the few. As I have already stated, the unwritten rule of "You can not restrict Scouts double jumping" has gone under the radar for so long, that all but a very few amount of people such as yourself still cling to it. Everyone else states that it's fair to restrict their double/triple jumping, as it gives them an unfair advantage in most minigames. (Death Run, Obby, Fallgame, Sweeper, Wipeout etc.)
Next thing you're going to say is we shouldn't be able to restrict a Spy using their Sapper in Vs Sentry, despite the fact that use of a sapper completely nullifies the entire game.
Oh, maybe we shouldn't restrict medics healing either, after all that's their own ability of sorts, to heal others.

Times change, rules change, and this is one of those rules that changed a long time ago without your notice, and should remain changed so they may be restricted within minigames, simply to make things fairer.

I mean come on, how often do you see Scouts being some of the only ones who survive Obby? Here's a tip; Scouts death in Obby is at an all time low. I know you are prepared for a challenge or war and I will not decline you that (I love a good argument, a slight flaw of mine. Still helped in English extra curriculum debating skills,) but please do consider that it's time for the rule to be officially changed instead of charging in to an argument simply for the sake of arguing due to my sass.

 

[SNC]

I'll be making sure this doesn't get out of hand. I have digital hand-cuffs.

 

[Umbra Vorago]

I'll be making sure this doesn't get out of hand. I have digital hand-cuffs.

Kinky.

 

[Dic Soupcan]

I'm not gonna go through and find every little detail you changed just because you can't use colours or other indicators.
But, I've read what other people have said, and it looks like a no from me. Most of these rules are what you want, not what everybody wants. And considering you're a shitty warden already, if rules cater towards you being even more shitty, then jb just wont become fun anymore (I mean whenever you're on I can't find any fun anyway because your ego blocks it all out).
I know he'll just dismiss this as 'salty dic' or some other dumb term you guys keep coming up with, but, there's my opinion.

 

[SNC]

Democracy never gets us anywhere. Just look at the US. We need someone to impose rules on us. Asu seems to be fine with this, and I'd rather be subjugated to a bunch of rules that I have to enforce than to not be able to understand anything because it's vague.

The main concern here is not the rules themselves, but the sheer amount of them! The details aren't different, but there are so many specific things left out that this clears things up. No one is going to be 100% happy with the rules, and unlike the admins on this thread, the people playing JB not only enjoy Umbra, but his rules that he's trying to get confirmed. The majority aren't represented on the forums either, and us admins that don't want it simply can't deal with how long and arduous these rules are... we have to have a protocol for near everything.

 

[Umbra Vorago]

I'm not gonna go through and find every little detail you changed just because you can't use colours or other indicators.
But, I've read what other people have said, and it looks like a no from me. Most of these rules are what you want, not what everybody wants. And considering you're a shitty warden already, if rules cater towards you being even more shitty, then jb just wont become fun anymore (I mean whenever you're on I can't find any fun anyway because your ego blocks it all out).
I know he'll just dismiss this as 'salty dic' or some other dumb term you guys keep coming up with, but, there's my opinion.

That's highly strange, considering many consider me one of the best wardens on the server. No that's not me having a big ego, that's others opinion of me, and the opinion of me being a shitty warden I've not been called that before. Just because 'you' do not find certain things fun, does not mean it's not fun for others. Sorry if me being a Warden did not give you a chance to play the minigames YOU wanted to play or gave YOU a chance to rebel.

Also as stated, many of these rules are not MY rules, these are rules that both ADMINS and REGULAR players have contributed. My rules? Well if we're going MY rules, I'd put in that no detours or delays applies to all orders. AFK freeze upon arrival does not need to be said but is already implied. Freedays can be given intentionally.
Most of the rules I have added are what the majority of players want, with you being in the minority.

A note of interest, a discussion I was having with a friend and long time member of this community regarding admins;

Him: A lot of them don't like change
Him: If your rules go through, a lot of them will say its like "cancer"
Him: They do that a lot.
Umbra: But it's all well and good for them, they have the power to kick/ban/mute whoever does them or anyone wrong on the server in their opinion. Not us people with no power who have to suffer through the shit because of the rules being so damn unclear.
Umbra: Infact I may very well post that in my next post on how it seems that the majority of the community are voting yes, but only certain admins are voting no.
Umbra: Likely due to them having said power.
Him: True.
Him: Sounds about right.

I stand by my statement, in the end, it's the players who are helpless who suffer, because admins can not be on all the time, and when they do, there is always confusion because one admin says one thing, another states another.

Is it so wrong that I wanted to put a stop to it? Is it wrong that I wanted to end all the pointless bitching and arguing over rules? All I did was try to clear things up, and if that makes me a bad guy, then so be it, I would rather be a bad guy. I didn't do this to make friends, I didn't do this to help me become an admin, I did this because it NEEDED to be done. Yourself and Beast so far have let your own personal opinions of me blind yourself on what the point of this whole thing is for, the community, not me, not you, but everyone as a whole.