New Server Rules (Work in Progress)

[littleirishman]

Some rules have not been "valuated" because they are already in use/being enforced/not in need of a valuation - or even simpler, just count those not added as "accepted" .
@Asu @Umbra VoragoLetting everyone who voted NO to know this. The rules are completely fine, there's just some minor errors, and most of them are just the same rules we have now, just explained better with examples included.
If you vote NO because "We will have to re-read the rules" then please piss off.

Might aswell tag me next time White

 

[Rei]

failed to say when i am a red i can become an honorary blue and any blue that hurts me is to be slain.

shit tier rules umbra, i was expecting more

How are they shit tier?

 

[Wickednick]

I need popcorn, this is good arguing.

 

[littleirishman]

I need popcorn, this is good arguing.

Ayy lmao lemme join in

How are they shit tier?

joking, just banter before it became super important.

 

[Zero1763]

What i mean is people will still find loopholes.
Thats all.

 

[littleirishman]

What i mean is people will still find loopholes.
Thats all.

@Javert @javertsbae @Emily

 

[JSVague]

I'd like to point out that someone on this thread said that a Blu killing themselves when a red recieves LR is against the rules (as in added). This IS a rule change. Previously it was "frowned" upon. Now, it has the potential to be a rule? Take it out. If a blu can't kill themself because they don't wanna do what the red said, then reds should be restricted from commiting suicide as well. Second, someone else said that this limits the need for admins to be on, however, that statement is flat out wrong. If someone is breaking the rules, what's gonna happen with no admins on? Nothing. There's going to be mass rebellions to try and kill the rulebreaker, after that kills. When people get killed they cry. Umbra, I don't know how long you have been an admin, and I'm assuming it's only been for a day, but you wait. You'll staert receiving calls left and right. And what happens? People call you shit. They call you a dick. They say your bad, and for what? because you took the time out of your day to go and help their cunty asses. What these rules seem to be, is a change. Which isn't something that's needed in the rules. It's what's needed with the people in the community. I like how you updated and cleaned the previous rules, specifying certain scenarios. But every NEW rules you added. Are garbage. That's the nicest way I can put it. The rules we had are fine and should remain the rules. I feel the scenarios should be added. The only reason there is so much dispute about the rules all the time is the PEOPLE in this community. THEY ARE ALL KIDS GOING THROUGH PUBERTY. Admins, they argue over rules because they think they are right. All that's fucking needed is a simple word from ASU.

@Asu Listen, I mean no disrespect, but at the end of the day, your the owner of this fine community. You can cut people and commend people. You need to take control. I know it's difficult and you want to be as fair and impartial as possible which is why you come to the community for these types of things. But your the only person who puts in the work on the servers, who maintains the forums, (Yes there are forum mods and report handlers, but they are all shit imo except Jack <3) and most of all dedicates alot of time into this community. If you want these rules, who gives a shit. Make them the rules and anyone who has a problem and starts crying, just ban them. Like we have a wonderful new set of people who want to make SG their new gaming home. It's kinda annoying that the vets of this place call it cancer and assume they have some guaranteed shield from the ban hammer. About every vet in SG hates SNC because he acts like the fucking prime minister of SG, and he really does. TO be honest he thinks he is the fucking shit always trying to act calm and collected. But thats good. The people who lose their shit on EVERY SINGLE THREAD are the issue. The people who recieve warning, after warning, after fucking warning are the people who are holding SG from its potential. Yes, we all know who were talking about. @Asu you need to dictate this community, because the democracy just isn't working and people are abusing it. Ban the fucking baiters, and flamers and arguers. Commend the correct people. I'm not saying every person, but the right people. Honestly, I think some vets are mad because there are these new people getting admin and all this crap and haven't even earned the respect of the community on the forums. Umbra? Never seen him, Piceous? Never seen him. I'm not upset, but I think they should spend more time on the forums as well as in game. Basicly, dictate the sg forums and do waht YOU have to do because this democracy shit isn't working and you've proven that by the countless times you've removed the apps, the changing of the reports section to staff only, giving permissions to certain people. I think it's time for SG to become a dictatorship.

p.s idc about spelling bc u guys will correct it 4 merh

 

[JackTheRipper]

I'd like to point out that someone on this thread said that a Blu killing themselves when a red recieves LR is against the rules (as in added). This IS a rule change. Previously it was "frowned" upon. Now, it has the potential to be a rule? Take it out. If a blu can't kill themself because they don't wanna do what the red said, then reds should be restricted from commiting suicide as well. Second, someone else said that this limits the need for admins to be on, however, that statement is flat out wrong. If someone is breaking the rules, what's gonna happen with no admins on? Nothing. There's going to be mass rebellions to try and kill the rulebreaker, after that kills. When people get killed they cry. Umbra, I don't know how long you have been an admin, and I'm assuming it's only been for a day, but you wait. You'll staert receiving calls left and right. And what happens? People call you shit. They call you a dick. They say your bad, and for what? because you took the time out of your day to go and help their cunty asses. What these rules seem to be, is a change. Which isn't something that's needed in the rules. It's what's needed with the people in the community. I like how you updated and cleaned the previous rules, specifying certain scenarios. But every NEW rules you added. Are garbage. That's the nicest way I can put it. The rules we had are fine and should remain the rules. I feel the scenarios should be added. The only reason there is so much dispute about the rules all the time is the PEOPLE in this community. THEY ARE ALL KIDS GOING THROUGH PUBERTY. Admins, they argue over rules because they think they are right. All that's fucking needed is a simple word from ASU.

@Asu Listen, I mean no disrespect, but at the end of the day, your the owner of this fine community. You can cut people and commend people. You need to take control. I know it's difficult and you want to be as fair and impartial as possible which is why you come to the community for these types of things. But your the only person who puts in the work on the servers, who maintains the forums, (Yes there are forum mods and report handlers, but they are all shit imo except Jack <3) and most of all dedicates alot of time into this community. If you want these rules, who gives a shit. Make them the rules and anyone who has a problem and starts crying, just ban them. Like we have a wonderful new set of people who want to make SG their new gaming home. It's kinda annoying that the vets of this place call it cancer and assume they have some guaranteed shield from the ban hammer. About every vet in SG hates SNC because he acts like the fucking prime minister of SG, and he really does. TO be honest he thinks he is the fucking shit always trying to act calm and collected. But thats good. The people who lose their shit on EVERY SINGLE THREAD are the issue. The people who recieve warning, after warning, after fucking warning are the people who are holding SG from its potential. Yes, we all know who were talking about. @Asu you need to dictate this community, because the democracy just isn't working and people are abusing it. Ban the fucking baiters, and flamers and arguers. Commend the correct people. I'm not saying every person, but the right people. Honestly, I think some vets are mad because there are these new people getting admin and all this crap and haven't even earned the respect of the community on the forums. Umbra? Never seen him, Piceous? Never seen him. I'm not upset, but I think they should spend more time on the forums as well as in game. Basicly, dictate the sg forums and do waht YOU have to do because this democracy shit isn't working and you've proven that by the countless times you've removed the apps, the changing of the reports section to staff only, giving permissions to certain people. I think it's time for SG to become a dictatorship.

p.s idc about spelling bc u guys will correct it 4 merh

It was a democracy? I missed that fucking memo lol

 

[SNC]

I'd like to point out that someone on this thread said that a Blu killing themselves when a red recieves LR is against the rules (as in added). This IS a rule change. Previously it was "frowned" upon. Now, it has the potential to be a rule? Take it out. If a blu can't kill themself because they don't wanna do what the red said, then reds should be restricted from commiting suicide as well. Second, someone else said that this limits the need for admins to be on, however, that statement is flat out wrong. If someone is breaking the rules, what's gonna happen with no admins on? Nothing. There's going to be mass rebellions to try and kill the rulebreaker, after that kills. When people get killed they cry. Umbra, I don't know how long you have been an admin, and I'm assuming it's only been for a day, but you wait. You'll staert receiving calls left and right. And what happens? People call you shit. They call you a dick. They say your bad, and for what? because you took the time out of your day to go and help their cunty asses. What these rules seem to be, is a change. Which isn't something that's needed in the rules. It's what's needed with the people in the community. I like how you updated and cleaned the previous rules, specifying certain scenarios. But every NEW rules you added. Are garbage. That's the nicest way I can put it. The rules we had are fine and should remain the rules. I feel the scenarios should be added. The only reason there is so much dispute about the rules all the time is the PEOPLE in this community. THEY ARE ALL KIDS GOING THROUGH PUBERTY. Admins, they argue over rules because they think they are right. All that's fucking needed is a simple word from ASU.

@Asu Listen, I mean no disrespect, but at the end of the day, your the owner of this fine community. You can cut people and commend people. You need to take control. I know it's difficult and you want to be as fair and impartial as possible which is why you come to the community for these types of things. But your the only person who puts in the work on the servers, who maintains the forums, (Yes there are forum mods and report handlers, but they are all shit imo except Jack <3) and most of all dedicates alot of time into this community. If you want these rules, who gives a shit. Make them the rules and anyone who has a problem and starts crying, just ban them. Like we have a wonderful new set of people who want to make SG their new gaming home. It's kinda annoying that the vets of this place call it cancer and assume they have some guaranteed shield from the ban hammer. About every vet in SG hates SNC because he acts like the fucking prime minister of SG, and he really does. TO be honest he thinks he is the fucking shit always trying to act calm and collected. But thats good. The people who lose their shit on EVERY SINGLE THREAD are the issue. The people who recieve warning, after warning, after fucking warning are the people who are holding SG from its potential. Yes, we all know who were talking about. @Asu you need to dictate this community, because the democracy just isn't working and people are abusing it. Ban the fucking baiters, and flamers and arguers. Commend the correct people. I'm not saying every person, but the right people. Honestly, I think some vets are mad because there are these new people getting admin and all this crap and haven't even earned the respect of the community on the forums. Umbra? Never seen him, Piceous? Never seen him. I'm not upset, but I think they should spend more time on the forums as well as in game. Basicly, dictate the sg forums and do waht YOU have to do because this democracy shit isn't working and you've proven that by the countless times you've removed the apps, the changing of the reports section to staff only, giving permissions to certain people. I think it's time for SG to become a dictatorship.

p.s idc about spelling bc u guys will correct it 4 merh

Err.. not sure if an insult or a compliment. I stay calm and have earned my position through fair debate and long standing aid. There must be someone to regulate the SG forums, and I think that I am the one to do it, because Asu simply can't moderate everything. I try my best to be unbiased, although I am not perfect. As much as I appreciate your input, Umbra does play on JB often and, rather than create rules on the forums, he came straight from the source, JB, and took peoples opinions into consideration and formulated rules based on the fact that there were simply too many loopholes to be found, too many rules left unanswered or open ended... Asu approved this, I'm sure he read this over and let it go through.

Asu considers himself to be a technician, not truly the owner. Of course he is a share in the ownership and holds far more power than any of us here, but instead of imposing himself upon us as an absolute monarch he lets us do the jobs on servers and sometimes on the forums while he focuses and micromanages other things... Don't force Asu to be someone he is not.

Which brings me to the fact that I'm here, with the permissions and powers to aid in forum tranquility. Now I appreciate that you all think so highly of me (not truly, but to think I act like the prime minister is flattering, I don't try to... am I that regal? Ego intensifies...) but the real issue you seem to be dodging here, as @ThatSameGuyMan pointed out is not me, but the people who want to fight, who want to hate, and who don't want change because it isn't worth it. It is too hard. It is arduous to read through a list of rules. And that is plain wrong. Completely... and if you criticize it for having effort poured into it then it is a darn shame. A real darn shame.

 

[Umbra Vorago]

I'd like to point out that someone on this thread said that a Blu killing themselves when a red recieves LR is against the rules (as in added). This IS a rule change. Previously it was "frowned" upon. Now, it has the potential to be a rule? Take it out. If a blu can't kill themself because they don't wanna do what the red said, then reds should be restricted from commiting suicide as well. Second, someone else said that this limits the need for admins to be on, however, that statement is flat out wrong. If someone is breaking the rules, what's gonna happen with no admins on? Nothing. There's going to be mass rebellions to try and kill the rulebreaker, after that kills. When people get killed they cry. Umbra, I don't know how long you have been an admin, and I'm assuming it's only been for a day, but you wait. You'll staert receiving calls left and right. And what happens? People call you shit. They call you a dick. They say your bad, and for what? because you took the time out of your day to go and help their cunty asses. What these rules seem to be, is a change. Which isn't something that's needed in the rules. It's what's needed with the people in the community. I like how you updated and cleaned the previous rules, specifying certain scenarios. But every NEW rules you added. Are garbage. That's the nicest way I can put it. The rules we had are fine and should remain the rules. I feel the scenarios should be added. The only reason there is so much dispute about the rules all the time is the PEOPLE in this community. THEY ARE ALL KIDS GOING THROUGH PUBERTY. Admins, they argue over rules because they think they are right. All that's fucking needed is a simple word from ASU.

Well I personally, and others have agreed, that it should become a rule. Not strictly enforced like someone re-entering, but it should not be allowed to simply let slide if the BLUs decide to kill themselves to avoid doing an LR. That's unfair, highly unfair to the one (or two) RED(s) that got to that point. If you think it shouldn't be, you're entitled to your opinion and you are welcome to share your reasons as to why this should be changed back to just being "frowned" upon, that's the point of this entire thread, to discuss. I added this rule in because plenty of people have complained to me how the BLUs would kill themselves to avoid doing an LR, simply because they dislike the person who gets LR, or because they were just dicks.
Though honestly I don't see the point in limiting REDs killing themselves just because a BLU isn't allowed to do so, what should we teamban them from going RED?

It will certainly restrict the need for admins to come on, without a doubt. Yes there will always be freekillers, or those people who read the rules, but at least now, admins will not be called on to sort out petty disputes about shit that's unclear in the rules. Maybe it'll only stop admins being called on by 5%, but I think any improvement is better than no improvement.

How long have I been an admin? That depends. This server? Less than a few hours. On Jailbreak servers? As stated I was once previously an admin on a different community some time ago, of which I helped set up and write the rules from the ground up, and enforced them tirelessly. I know what it is like to be an admin, I didn't apply to become one to make friends, I did it to help enforce the rules and try keep the JB community from tearing at each-others throats. I don't play favorites, if someone breaks the rules, they get punished, and I couldn't care less what I may be called for doing it.

The majority of all this, is not a change to rules, it's clarifying already enforced rules, and adding a few tweaks/new rules all together which, and I have stated this plenty of times, is a work in progress, I never said the whole thing was a finished product and the whole point of it coming to here is for people to discuss, and I am more than willing to discuss certain aspects of the rules and am willing to change them provided the reasoning is solid and the pros of changing rule back will outweigh the cons.

All the new rules I have added weren't entirely 'my' own rules, but rules other admins/community members feel should have been added, and I have agreed with to an extent (I didn't add any random suggestion, like no more lenny faces. I think the server would flip their shit if that were the case.) As such I am eager and willing to listen to any and all sound criticism of them. The only rule that "I" added, was the ability to kill severe mic spammers should no admin be available. I really can not find a single issue with that, I'd rather have a RED get killed for mic spamming then listen to his shit for the rest of the entire round.

Thank you for showing appreciation for the cleaning/clarification of old rules. I agree though, the only reason there's dispute about rules all the time, it's not the rules, it's the people. The TF2 community is infamous for their player base, and it is not going to change. In an ideal world, we would have a few simple rules;

Don't be a dick.
Don't be a smartass.
Have fun. (Yes, having fun is mandatory.)

But sadly, we are not in an ideal world, we are in the real world full of shitty people and, as you put it, kids going through puberty. That is why this needed to be done, and why it is necessary to have these rules scrutinized and changed before making them official.

As for all the parts put to Asu, not going to comment, but the part of "Honestly, I think some vets are mad because there are these new people getting admin and all this crap and haven't even earned the respect of the community on the forums." I agree to an extent, however I am not here for the forum community, which is full of trolls and bitching and fighting, but for the JB community, which is already full of trolls bitching and fighting. To think I need approval from one set of people to be able to moderate a completely different set of people is perplexing. So long as the job gets done and done properly, does it matter?

 

[Dic Soupcan]

Evolution doesn't happen in a day.
There's not much else to be said.

 

[SNC]

Evolution doesn't happen in a day.
There's not much else to be said.

What about... revolution?

ONE DAY MORE!
One day more till revolution... we will nip it in the butt. We'll be ready for these schoolboys. They will wet themselves with blood.

A quote from Les Miserables's Javert during the song "One Day More"...
But evolution does take time. However, what is wrong with this? What could it possibly bring that makes it bad?

 

[Dic Soupcan]

What about... revolution?

ONE DAY MORE!
One day more till revolution... we will nip it in the butt. We'll be ready for these schoolboys. They will wet themselves with blood.

A quote from Les Miserables's Javert during the song "One Day More"...
But evolution does take time. However, what is wrong with this? What could it possibly bring that makes it bad?

I explained it already but nobody bothered to read my post.

 

[SNC]

I'm not gonna go through and find every little detail you changed just because you can't use colours or other indicators.
But, I've read what other people have said, and it looks like a no from me. Most of these rules are what you want, not what everybody wants. And considering you're a shitty warden already, if rules cater towards you being even more shitty, then jb just wont become fun anymore (I mean whenever you're on I can't find any fun anyway because your ego blocks it all out).
I know he'll just dismiss this as 'salty dic' or some other dumb term you guys keep coming up with, but, there's my opinion.

It's about the fact that it's what he wants? The thing... is that he's drawing from the JB people themselves... you can't just bandwagon because people are saying no... Umbra explained that if he wanted to change the rules according to him, some things would be different. Your personal bias towards him being arrogant isn't good ground. We've all seen it. The rules ain't catering towards him, and he's stated why.

 

[Dic Soupcan]

It's about the fact that it's what he wants? The thing... is that he's drawing from the JB people themselves... you can't just bandwagon because people are saying no... Umbra explained that if he wanted to change the rules according to him, some things would be different. Your personal bias towards him being arrogant isn't good ground. We've all seen it. The rules ain't catering towards him, and he's stated why.

You're just like the angry mob, can't listen to what I said. Yes, I said that, but I made a post after that nobody bothered to read.

If you people wont listen to me why should I listen to you?

 

[SNC]

I'm always the minority, used to it.


Yeah, us certain admins are voting no because we are the people who have to enforce this shit.
The only reason why rules get bickered is because of wardens. Oh, look who's a warden!


Stop exaggerating.



Stop crying and trying to get people to side against me by pointing a sword at yourself and saying I'm the villain.


The rules are perfectly clear, it's not our fault that people interpret them differently (to get strange kills, for example, oh look that's done by wardens, huh) and adding MORE rules will not help that in any way shape or form.

This is gonna go on for awhile, yay for people's egos talking instead of their brain

Yeah but this isn't true. I can pull out many things that will change gameplay and make things much easier on the admins. It's frustrating to have different admins enforce different things.
Let's not get lazy because we have to enforce it!
Umbra isn't doing this for himself as well, he's doing it for everyone who keeps getting frustrated at the clarity, or lack thereof, of some rules...
Some of the rules are very clear. Some aren't. Some don't exist. I hope I don't need to pull them out for you?
The rules get bickered not because of wardens but because of the fact that their is no firm guideline for some weird scenarios.

 

[Dic Soupcan]

The rules get bickered not because of wardens but because of the fact that their is no firm guideline for some weird scenarios.

Those weird scenarios only happen when wardens decide to push rules.
SNC I've been here a lot longer with these rules, I think I know what I'm talking about.

 

[SNC]

Those weird scenarios only happen when wardens decide to push rules.
SNC I've been here a lot longer with these rules, I think I know what I'm talking about.

Yeah but you have to agree that you have a bias to what you think is right and other admins have their other biases. We have to be ready for those weird scenarios because they're gonna happen whether you like it or not.

 

[Dic Soupcan]

Yeah but you have to agree that you have a bias to what you think is right and other admins have their other biases. We have to be ready for those weird scenarios because they're gonna happen whether you like it or not.

Why are you making me agree to a fact? Does this accomplish something?
And no, we don't have to be ready for those weird scenarios if wardens just played the game, instead of interpreting things differently, despite them being perfectly clear, and admins (that tend to go warden) not siding with them just because they want kills.

 

[SNC]

Listen it has nothing to do with your power cause honestly I don't give a F***. What I do care about is the people on this server, and honestly I've seen you interact with umbra on a daily basis, so I know that your basically voting no because you don't like him. I don't really want to participate in a flame war, I just want to get the rules changed and get the admins to stop arguing and enjoy the darn game. Also love how I'm being called a sheeple for agreeing with the idea for new rules, such friendly admins we have on here. XD

Dic I just quoted you DIRECTLY there is no fucking reason at all. I've read through the messages multiple times already just to ensure that I didn't make a fool of myself. So please elaborate what your reason is and don't just cut others down.

All of you, shut the fuck up.
Umbra's rules are better than most of you can do.
Don't shun his work.
Don't be a bitch. Listen to Umbra. He is correct. Fucking shut up, because Umbra knows what he's talking about. You badmins don't know shit. So all of you, fucking shut up, and vote yes, god dammit.

I'd like you all to reflect on your behaviors... you aren't proving any point. It's truly gotten to the point that you are ganging up on the people who don't believe what you believe. If you truly think someone deserves this behavior then perhaps a better selection would be to not respond.
I'm talking not to just you specifically (although I'm focusing on you because you've displayed this behavior), but to all of you that are posting on this thread.